Ladies, do you consider yourself a feminist?

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  Cq_cplPlay

  9 years ago

  Am i a Feminist, TBH not sure, what i do believe in is equal rights for training, education, wage and law.In saying that dont sit by me and complain if you are not willing to work hard, find resources and self improve with your hands out expecting handouts. Now for the topic of RHP, makes it much easier than knocking on doors in hope of finding people to play with

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  RHP User

  9 years ago

  Chelsea Clinton is being put through the ringer by the press right now because she was working (campaigning for her Mother) and her husband took their daughter to her first day of school. Can you even begin to imagine a world where the press would make any sort of deal out of a man not being present for a family event due to his work?

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  RHP User

  9 years ago

  Quoting 'Qefenta1' The topic here is Ladies do you consider yourself a feminist? Family violence IMO is relevant to this question Q if you're considering family/domestic violence is relevant to the topic, then I disagree that Ontology is off-topic as gender differentiated treatment of violence is what he was talking about, and I think we both agree that is a major topic in feminist discussion* I think Ontology's root argument for his last posts has gotten lost multiple analogies ago (though I admit that reading this last page and your post (Q) I did have to pause and go back a page or two to refresh on what his base argument was and why I thought it was on-topic) I think it has been more interesting than if we kept it strictly "on topic" to the questions posed. Anyway, it seems vaguely appropriate for the thread that I have to run now and pick-up my niece from school. * (I'm not crazy about the phrase "the Feminist debate", since to me, it sounds like a debate over equal rights/feminism itself being valid, rather than more narrow definitions of topics that are worthy of debate within the spectrum of feminist discussion e.g. "are female sex/adult workers empowered or are they disempowering other women by contributing to objectification")

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  RHP User

  9 years ago

  Bravo Zulu. Outstanding. Love your work.

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  RHP User

  9 years ago

  It is interesting to me that a story I was reading the other day mentioned that the majority of men who suffer DV do so at the hands of other men. Not that I'm sure what that has to do with feminism. But there ya go. Peachy

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  RHP User

  9 years ago

  Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over acceptance of dogma or superstition.

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  RHP User

  9 years ago

  Quoting 'The_3somes' the feminists would support paying for the same benefits on RHP as the single males/couples have to pay for? ;) Just stirring the pot... I'd say that's less an equality issue and more a market issue. Supply and demand... And back on topic, yes, I'm a feminist, because I believe in the rights of individuals over the system. Everyone should have the right to be who they want to be (as long as it doesn't impact directly on someone else's right to be who they want to be).

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  RHP User

  9 years ago

  Feminism started as a reaction to the 'nameless' period before, which was never named but everyone new who was in it's center (-hu-man-nism-) That was the time of the 'isms'. I understand how name itself may sound like non inclusive of men and therefore feminist men may naturally revolt today. Feminism was a historical necessity. Can we imagine how would women live today if it never existed? Those women sacrificed so much. The problem I see with this movement nowadays is that, together with race and national issues, due to global politics, it is misused and emphasized in order to hide problems of class nature. Nevertheless issues of women's rights, trivial or not are not to be disregarded or ignored. We still need feminism. What I find even more irritating is that some " feminist" say how 'all men are the same'. What I find distasteful is how propaganda against feminism succeeded in their attempt to colour all feminist as unreasonable women and mad men heaters. It is far from the truth. These women demand more because they know how inspirational men can be and how often those men push them and support them to achieve greater things in life.(Ms)

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  RHP User

  9 years ago

  MAN..you need a hobby!

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  RHP User

  9 years ago

  Noble origins but plenty out of whack thanks to feminism movement. Equality sits better with me... But then again "equal" nah! Men and women are different. Respect, equal rights and choices for all xx - Posted from rhpmobile

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  RHP User

  9 years ago

  Quoting 'codsworth' check out the diva cup my wife uses it, absolutely she loves it for the first two periods used she wore a pad as well, she thought the idea was awkward and was worried it would leak but she very quickly trusted it completely and only took her those two times to get used to the idea less mess, less pain, more freedom to do stuff and complete outfit selection freedom she has not paid for a single period product in over 5 years it has never failed her Your profile says you are single

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  RHP User

  9 years ago

  Yes, there are some things I can't do because I'm not strong enough or don't have the know how but I believe in equality in the work place and at home. My ex changed just as many nappies as I did. This was part of the T&Cs before carrying our child. We also took turns cooking dinner and other chores. It infuriates me that my new boss doesn't get paid the same as her predecessor, and she is more qualified than he was. Same goes for our consultants. The women get paid less than the men. Am I feminist? To an extent. I have just as much right to say I'm horny as a man does. I don't consider myself a whore because of this. But I'm not a madonna either If someone told me they wouldn't introduce me to their friends or family because they met me on here, then they are not good enough for me.

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  9 years ago

  Quoting 'Vince1974' MAN..you need a hobby! writing on forums isn't a hobby?

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  9 years ago

  Quoting 'looking4quality' Yes, there are some things I can't do because I'm not strong enough or don't have the know how but I believe in equality in the work place and at home. My ex changed just as many nappies as I did. This was part of the T&Cs before carrying our child. We also took turns cooking dinner and other chores. It infuriates me that my new boss doesn't get paid the same as her predecessor, and she is more qualified than he was. Same goes for our consultants. The women get paid less than the men. Am I feminist? To an extent. I have just as much right to say I'm horny as a man does. I don't consider myself a whore because of this. But I'm not a madonna either If someone told me they wouldn't introduce me to their friends or family because they met me on here, then they are not good enough for me. I too strongly disagree with the gender pay gap. I do not see any logically defensible reason to pay two people a different rate for the same work. Any difference directly attributable to achievement of fairly and sensibly set KPIs (ie. which are not skewed by gender bias) I would consider reasonable. In these circumstances, I see no reason why a women ought not be able to earn more than a man of equal qualification, knowledge and experience in the same work role. In terms of your comments concerning 'manual handling'/strength differences between people: I would point out as a species (with our big brains and opposable digits) we have the means to overcome these inconveniences where necessary. There exists an array of capacity differences within each gender, not just between the genders. Appropriate manual handling training and equipment easily mitigates any risk or efficiency problems. Employers should not shy away from these measures. I think to do so is false economy. With respect to your home and childcare arrangements, I dips me lid to yer ; ) I think a fair division of labour on the home front is entirely appropriate. Advocates of feminism would be greatly aided by a shift in employer attitudes toward the male half of couples taking a more active role with their children. My own experience (and that of many others too) highlights the tendency of many employers to automatically expect (sometimes even insist) that flexibility to meet school drop-off/pick-up, medical appointments etc etc to do with children, is the mother's role exclusively. Some mothers (such as my ex-wife) also take this view. That was a big bone of contention in my relationship. My ex-wife strongly espoused the concepts of feminism/equality. However in practice, the wheels completely fell off. She steadfastly and actively refused almost all forms of assistance from me with our kids. She also steadfastly refused to return to the workforce after our first child was born. I was compelled to work 50-60 hours per week (often more with travel intrastate, interstate and overseas, and on-call work one week in four) to keep us afloat financially. I was off to work of a morning before she woke up, and frequently home after she'd gone to bed. Whilst I was burning out with exhaustion from the demands of my employer, she was complaining loudly and often that I was always tired, and that I wasn't doing half the housework. Oddly, despite being a Horticulturist by training, she did not do anything much at all in the garden, and she did not count any of the yard work as household chores. Nor did she count any of the other household repairs and maintenance. I've always done all my own clothes ironing too. We usually ate restaurant or delivered meals twice per week. Evidently, those things didn't not count either. Interestingly, she always had time to fill and read a vast library of fiction novels and movies, and shop for other things we didn't need (with money we didn't have, and which she was not helping to earn). In that time, my study agenda/schedule suffered too, which harmed my prospects for advancement. Any attempt by me to discuss these issues were met with verbal abuse and occasional physical violence. I tried to bear up and stayed for my kids. All to no avail. So you see, I get somewhat skeptical now when I hear talk of 'feminism' (and many other 'isms'). I support the concept in theory (as far as the claims it is truly about equality between the genders), but I need to see the theory backed up with practice. As I said earlier in this response, if you're making a practice of the concept, I salute you.

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  RHP User

  9 years ago

  I'm not game enough to comment - Posted from rhpmobile

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  9 years ago

  Quoting 'Qefenta1' If you want to talk about violence towards men,feel free,but the overwhelming evidence is that women and children are mainly the victims of family violence Obviously not all men are perpetrators of family violence but to be offended by a woman pointing out the well documented facts speaks volumes to me of your attitudes. Say whatever you like,I am done. Q Further to various points raised earlier in this thread (particularly in respect of use of statistics), people might be interested to read an article/essay I ran across last night in respect of the cynical manipulation of the Legal System in WA, and the very serious broader implications of some proposed amendments to the Law... 'The Menace of Family "Violence" Orders', Dr Augusto Zimmermann, Quadrant, November 2016. Dr Zimmermann is Postgraduate Research Director and Senior Lecturer in Constitutional Law and Legal Theory at Murdoch University School of Law. He is also a member of the Law Reform Commission of Western Australia. (He declares his essay reflects his personal opinion, and not necessarily that of the Law Reform Commission). I reiterate my own disgust and revulsion for those who do engage in domestic violence. That said, this article clearly demonstrates definition of the actual scale and scope of domestic violence is not as simple as many are led to believe. Another article/essay worth reading and considering in the same light, and from the same publication is: 'Rape: The Presumption of Guilt', Jan Davies. "Jan Davies has been engaged in advocacy in the English criminal courts for over thirty years. From 2001 to 2007 she was a senior crown prosecutor in Oxfordshire. She is the author of The Criminal Advocate's Survival Guide and Criminal Justice Under Siege."

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  RHP User

  9 years ago

  Quoting 'I_touch_myself2'We all need to respect what others do sexually and give them the space to do that, without judgement. So true. Nothing worse than those people who continually mock and belittle the sexual preferences and experiences of others.

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  RHP User

  9 years ago

  It seems to have lost it's femininity!

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